Gaining Diplomatic Recognition

[Fact-Finding Mission]

As a member of a Fact-Finding Mission to explore the creation of a micronation, I have been fowarded here because I heard this is a place where most "secessionist" micronationalists gather.

What I want to know is how does a "secessionist" micronation, after it is formed, gain diplomatic recognition from soverign nations. I prefer honesty, if it is at all possible, about how difficult such a task is. I'd also like to know what has been tried...and if it was successful or not.

[Yan]

Secessionist???

(omg, seemingly another product of former MNN)

Wow, people have called me the darnest things, but this is the first time someone call me that.

Well virtual path finder, secessionist is when someone wants to split from a country.

The way I see it, there are no countries and we are exploring an unknown territory.

The way others see it and as I used to see as well, statehood has become obsolete with globalization, and multinational form of governments are emerging, with no borders but what their own citizens design on their own.

The hole goes way deeper than just "secessionism" (And specially secessionism with "", what is clear mockery of an ideal that proud americans founding fathers for instance found to be the only way), and specially if we consider that even governments are not following their own rules on todays world and are intentionally breaking them.

So what is secessionism? Can a government seceede from its state?

And before you assume a lot of bollocks about me without even understanding what Im talking about as you seem to have all these closet thoughts about who "we" are (as if this was homogeneous, what a confortable petit-bourgouis way of looking at things), who are you, and what is your real name?

because you see, we are mainly hobbyists if you want to call "us" anything, as we don't live of micronationalism, ergo, we have nothing to hide really.

And may you have a nice day. 

[Dieter N. Vercáriâ]

As a member of a Fact-Finding Mission to explore the creation of a micronation, I have been fowarded here because I heard this is a place where most "secessionist" micronationalists gather.

What I want to know is how does a "secessionist" micronation, after it is formed, gain diplomatic recognition from soverign nations. I prefer honesty, if it is at all possible, about how difficult such a task is. I'd also like to know what has been tried...and if it was successful or not.

Hm... maybe you are confusing us with the League of Secessionist States (LoSS), who, by the way, aren't secessionists for real.

Truly secessionist micronations that I can think of are the Principality of Seborga (Italy) or the Principality of Hutt River (Australia), closer to a secession than anybody else, that is. I don't think they gained much diplomatic recognition, especially not from their neighbours, though. And then I wonder if they would call themselves "micronations".

If there is a philosophy behind the kind of micronations that are represented on this form, a sovereign state of mind is as close as we can get to independence... 

[Noravian Kingdom]

Well my Micronation is a real world, want to be independent nation, but I know the ground works to know that it isn't really likely, unless you got support of nations around the world (Macronations, not Micro's.)

    So before you actually try to declare any kind of independence, make sure you have the backing of at least some good minded Macronations that will support you in your endeavor.

Please try to stay away from nations like Iran, although they would probably support you because of the American Enemy of theres, but they are likely to betray you once the enemy is gone.
(If you live in America anyways.)

The world works with a if you scratch my back i'll scratch yours.
So if you scratch their back you will get what you want, but it's not an easy scratch, you're like a microbe, and their like a Giant, so it's gonna be a rough climb to get to the part he/she wants you to scratch.

[Fact-Finding Mission]

Wait, wait, wait...

When I say Secessionist Nation, I do mean New Country Projects and virtual nations who want to lay claim to other territories, etc.. You see, I remember that some micronationalists (including the ones in the chatroom that fowarded me here) divide Micronations into Seccessionst Nations (micronations who want to lay claim to real-world territory and be recognized by real nations)...and Simulationist Nations (who just want to engage in simulation and fun). I thought that is accepted by the majority, so that why I said "Secessionist Nation".

I don't really mean to insult your guys.

So let me rephrase my original question. How do you gain recognition for a "New Country Project"?

[Noravian Kingdom]

Lets say you live in America, and want to secceed from S.C. (South Carolina) A good way to start would to either be really good friends with the Governor of S.C. or have your own people infiltrated into the Government which support your views, then recognition would come like P.B. & J.

but that's easier said than done .

[Cadan]

Depends who you want to be recognised by. I'm sure there are plenty of micronations who would be happy to recognize you, but gaining recognition from 'proper' countries is virtually impossible.

[xon]

What I want to know is how does a "secessionist" micronation, after it is formed, gain diplomatic recognition from soverign nations. I prefer honesty, if it is at all possible, about how difficult such a task is. I'd also like to know what has been tried...and if it was successful or not.

I have heard that in Somalia, at one time, a group micro-nationalists had the approval of the authorities to start a project to build a micro-nation there, including the construction of a road. I do not remember whether the authorities in this case were in fact the legitimate internationally-recognized government of Somalia at the time or just a local warlord. I do not recall any new nation projects that have successfully gained official diplomatic recognition from another nation. I am aware of some ways to accomplish this goal that might work, at least in theory.

But first I must mention that, of course, small ethnic groups with long and rich histories, such as Jews, Greeks, Georgians, and Serbs, have successfully formed new nations within the past couple of centuries (i.e., modern times) from the remnants of once vast empires.  Also, they have in many cases obtained successfully diplomatic recognition from a variety of nations (sometimes with the exception of a large number of nations that are their ideological enemies.) Unfortunately, with most of the nations that start from scratch, the historical claim to an area of land is not as strong, and cannot be used as a part of the case for obtaining diplomatic relations. If your micro-nation is Welsh, Breton, Tibet, or Basque themed, well, then maybe you have a better case than some other nations with no historical connections to any actual land, not to say it would be necessarily very easy.

One interesting idea I have heard mentioned for obtaining sovereignty is to establish an embassy for your nation in another established country. Then, according to international diplomatic tradition, the land on which the embassy sits and the buildings on it are considered to be your nation's sovereign territory.

Also, most of Africa and parts of Asia can be fairly corrupt; not to endorse the idea, but I have a feeling that certain "gifts" could sway officials in such areas to cast a more approving eye towards new nation projects seeking sovereignty.